Posts by under the radar

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What triggered your awaking?

by Fadeaway1962 in

i was listening to a radio show about a jw women who had been disfellowshiped , her daughter cut off all contact ,must admit at the time i thought so what.. then this man phoned up and explained he was disfellowshiped for asking about jws being ngo in the united nations during 90s till early 2000s when a newspaper exposed them , i still thought he's a apostate but looked it up found the article then found this forum and even more info..

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My awakening started in the 80's when the Book Studies were covering the Revelation book. When we came to the part about this and that trumpet foreshadowing various conventions of the early JWs, I realized they were pulling that crap out of their butts and that it was all BS. I never believed they had the Truth™ after that.

Shortly thereafter, I saw an ad somewhere about "1-800-Why-1914." I called the number and had a nice but brief conversation. They recommended Ray Franz' Crisis of Conscience. I devoured a copy and never looked back. That was it for me! It didn't really tell me anything I hadn't already suspected, but it did confirm some things I'd thought all along.

Since then, my decision to leave the JWs has been confirmed and validated many times. The Borg has devolved into nothing more than a money grubbing mind-control televangelizing cult. No different than Robert Tilton, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Bennie Hinn, Reverend Ike, Jimmy Swaggart, and the multitude of other charlatans. Not as entertaining as some of them, but just as greedy and duplicitous. Fork 'em all!

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I found an old pamphlet in one of my JW books. About the Hoxsey cure

by JimmyYoung in

i found a pamphlet in one of my old bound vol.

a 1969 awake, that had a pamphlet from a senator who gave a speech on the hoxsey cure.

i know of several jws who went to mexico and got this treatment.

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I had a work acquaintance who was otherwise very intelligent. But he was also way deep into alternative medicine. His mom had cancer and finally gave up on chemo. So he and his wife got some alternative medicine "doc" to see her and he prescribed, among other things, coffee enemas. My friend was all excited when those blackened, dead cancer cells were just "pouring out of her." Hmmm...

When she died a short time later, all they said was they had started her treatments too late.

When a person, no matter how well educated, decides they believe something, no amount of scientific evidence or other proof will convince them otherwise. Just like the way religious superstitions get ahold of people who should know better.

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Why Did Obama win the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009?

by JW_Researcher in

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while even non-peaceful people have been awarded the peace prize (e.g.

arafat, kissinger), i am confused as to how obama could possibly have won the award one year after being the first term junior senator from illinois with zero “peace” experience (other than his ‘well-articulated’ rhetoric)..

reading the obama-pining on a couple of posts made me reexamine my view of barry’s presidency..

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I believe it was more for what Obama represented than anything specific he had accomplished, other than being elected President. He was the first mulatto President, though he identified as black (African American). Even his half-blackness was regarded as ground breaking progress in American social awareness.

His election was thought to represent a huge step forward in American thinking. His presidency's merits and short-comings are vigorously debated among scholars, but this is not the place for that discussion.

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TV actress Ja'Net Dubois has passed away.

by NoAbuse in

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she was very active in the 1970's then kind of faded away.

i remember her mostly as "weezy" on 'the jeffersons' but she also played the mother 'mrs.

evans' on 'good times'.

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Actually, she didn't play Weezy on The Jeffersons. Isabel Sanford played Weezy.

Ms. Dubois did, however, co-write and sing "Movin' On Up," the theme song for The Jeffersons. What a catchy tune! It'll cheer just about anybody up.

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Those Who Can't get the OXYGEN Episodes

by Newly Enlightened in

someone has uploaded both episodes to google drive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l0ubvtriw6ytinnenmsmxpefotphconi/view.

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Jehalapeno: You seem to be more concerned about a major corporation's copyrights than the good the widespread distribution of these documentaries will do. Why is that? If the unauthorized downloads offend you, don't download them. Simple. You can then watch them however and whenever you can, if you choose to do so.

The way I see it, Oxygen broadcasted the shows to as wide an audience as possible. Shouldn't be a problem if people want to help them further distribute them, especially if they still include the commercials that financed them to start with. No difference between that and recording it for later viewing on your own DVR and inviting a friend over to watch it with you. Not everybody has a DVR. That said, I do agree it would be wrong to charge anyone to download or view an unauthorized copy. That would be selling a product you do not own or have any right to sell.

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Elders Know of Serial Killer & Told to Keep Quiet

by Sea Breeze in

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Let me get this straight: this person is known to have committed several murders before his baptism, but he is obviously repentant so is good to go. But, he smoked some weed after his baptism, so he must be questioned and punished accordingly. For smoking weed. But not for the multiple murders he committed in the past. Are you kidding me???

Personally, I think penitent-clergy confidentiality is a crock of crap. Ok, maybe it could pass the sniff test if it only applied to "sins" that did not involve any unwilling participants. Fine. But it should not apply to any type of mandatorily reported crime, especially if it involved violence or sexual abuse against anyone, child or not. No one should be allowed to hide behind religion to avoid the consequences of crimes against others.

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Disfellowshipped JW's Still Have "Normal Family Relations"

by Sea Breeze in

"when someone is disfellowshipped from the religion, normal family relations continue, with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”a watchtower lawyer clears up this common misunderstanding:.

https://jwvictims.org/2017/11/19/watchtower-lawyer-lies-outright-in-court-about-disfellowshipping-and-shunning/ .

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The WT is deliberately trying to deceive the Court when they say crap like that. If called up about it, they say, "When we say family, we are only referring to those who live in the same home. We weren't including other relatives."

Here is what their actual policy is. It speaks for itself.

WT 11/15/52 p. 703

Questions From Readers

In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?—P. C., Ontario, Canada.

God’s law does not allow a marriage partner to dismiss his mate because his mate becomes disfellowshiped or apostatizes.

(And then further down…)

The marriage partner would render the marriage dues according to the law of the land and in due payment for all material benefits bestowed and accepted

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Those Who Can't get the OXYGEN Episodes

by Newly Enlightened in

someone has uploaded both episodes to google drive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l0ubvtriw6ytinnenmsmxpefotphconi/view.

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Google Drive download warns that this file is too large for them to check for viruses, but I downloaded it to my MacBook Pro without any problems and it seems to be working fine. No indications of any virus.

Thanks for whoever created the file and posted the link. I'm sure lots of people who couldn't watch it otherwise appreciate it as well.

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How Many Here Remember Hearing Details from the Platform on Why a Person was Reproved or DF'd ???

by RubaDub in

i just had this flashback when commenting on another thread about how they used to announce reproof or dfing from the platform.

at least in our congregation, it was a dramatic event (this is what i can remember from back in the mid-late 60's or early 70's when i was a kid).. at the end of the service meeting, just before singing the final song, the brother would announce, "we have a letter that must be read.

the "congregation servant" (my grandfather or later my father) would then slowly walk from the back of the kh to the platform.

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I was raised as a JW from infancy and clearly remember how things were and the many changes between, say, the late 50's and about 2000, when I left.

I know for a fact that they used to announce the reasons for disfellowshipping, ie., "Joe Blow has been disfellowshipped for adultery." But I never heard them announce any further details or anything about specific restrictions or the like.

Probably due to lawsuits for defamation, sometime in the 70's or thereabouts they changed the announcement to "Joe Blow has been disfellowshipped for conduct unbecoming a Christian." Later, they changed it yet again to the current, "Joe Blow is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

I remember one time when two disfellowshippings announced on the same night. Two young people of the opposite sex. Knowing people would naturally jump to the obvious conclusion, the elder did have the decency to further announce that the two actions were unrelated.

Pretty soon after a DF or DA is announced, they have a local needs talk which pretty much reveals what was going on. Of course, by then most everyone knows anyway because of the inevitable gossip.

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A Serial Pooper Caught Defecating In Massachusetts Parking Lot!

by minimus in

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after at least 8 excrement findings, police in massachusetts finally caught this woman who would poop in a parking lot and leave her crap as well as some tissues.

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i just thought you should know about this 💩.

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Is that piece of excrement (or the donor thereof) wearing a chador? Has he/she/it no shame? That's just plain nasty. Dubious claims about cultural norms are no excuse. Even it that kind of behavior was the "norm" back home, he/she/it ain't there anymore!